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Trad Wifes

This episode we are looking into a strange fringe phenomenon that may be entirely mythical the so called ‘traditional housewife’ or #TradWife as she’s known on Twitter.

We take a look at the movement behind the hashtag by reading and trying to apply the Fascinating Womanhood philosophy. Then we dig into the history of house wifery, feminist critiques and the modern revival of traditional marriage. And, with trepidation, explore the dark undercurrent of white supremacy running just beneath some of the content flying the #TradWife banner.

Then we get back to the ironing.

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LINKS MENTIONED

Fascinating Womanhood For The Timeless Woman, Dixie Andelin Forsyth

Fascinating Womanhood, Helen Andelin

Helen Andelin and The Fascinating womanhood Movement Julie Debra Neuffer

Sex Differences in the Connectome of The Human Brain lead athour Madhura Ingalhalikar

Number of Working Mothers in England

The Feminine Mystique, Betty Friedan

Feminist Theory From Margin to Centre, bell hooks

The Minimalists

How Work Took Over the World, Andrew Taggart

Alya Stewarts Website

We Are in the Midst of the Third Bogus ‘White Extinction’ Panic in Just as Many Centuries

Millenials Want More Traditional Gender Roles

Tradwives: A New Trend

The Tradwife Movement Undercuts Femininst Gains

Feminists claiming ‘tradwives’ are radicalized ‘like ISIS brides’

The Darling Academy

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    I’ve only just started listening to your podcast. I listened to a few episodes and enjoyed them until around 1:29 of this episode.

    Here is what I heard: just seeing, not to shit talk them, but my sisters, they will go back to work, they don’t have to, they have kids, like, they could be raising their kids, and how grateful would those kids be to be like “yea I had a stay at home mom, I got to spend all that time with her when I was growing up in those really important years” What I’m trying to say is, because they have a choice, I think, unless they love their jobs as much as, they might, maybe they do, and maybe you don’t want to be with your kids all day, but why have them?”

    1) You are absolutely talking shit about them and about many other mothers the world over.

    2) They ARE RAISING THEIR CHILDREN. Just because they go to work, doesn’t mean they are not raising their children. Tell me, are they not bonded with their children? Do their kids not go to them for love and comfort? Do they not provide for their children? Do they teach their kids about this world around them?

    3) You are assuming that kids will only be grateful for a stay at home mom and it seems you may imply that there is no value to seeing a mother work, bring in her own money, and have a life outside of the home. Many people, even if their job isn’t something they deeply love, find tremendous fulfillment in work. People gain a lot from their work, including: it occupies their mind in something new, gives them a sense of independence, and provides grounds for important relationships. Yes, there can be value to a mother staying home with her children, but there can also be value to a mother working which you ignore. For many, what they gain from work makes their lives better all around, including their time with their kids.

    4) The last part of that comment, “maybe you don’t want to be with your kids all day, but why have them?” There is so much wrong and insulting in that. How dare you judge a woman’s desire to have children, and have a job! If a woman wants to raise children, and have a job, guess what, she can do that even if she has money enough to do otherwise. If a woman wants to take a leave from her job to stay with her children, and her situation allows for it she can do that. Both these types of women love their children. Both these types of women are doing the best they can. Both these types of women are raising their children.

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    And then this:
    If you are chatting shit about how it is so important for women to have jobs that fulfill them, and that’s the most important thing for women and for us to gain our liberation… but when you go to work then you are making sure that some other poor woman has to have a job that doesn’t fulfill them doing some minimum wage labor looking after your children

    Must jobs be a zero sum game? Is my role in the work force really making sure some other woman has an unfulfilling job? Couldn’t that be said of going to a fast food restaurant? Or partaking of any of the myriad of services that employ people by paying them less than adequate salaries? Must mothers bear such blame for this? Why not the father? Perhaps the father’s continued role in the workforce after having a child should be given such criticism in addition to the mother’s?

    Whether a woman chooses to work after she has a child or not (assuming she has that privilege to choose) here are some things she could certainly use:

    LESS CRITICISM

    Parenting is difficult. Most that I know, whether they stay at home with their kids or not, do the absolute best they can for their children, themselves, their families, their futures, their communities and so on. They love their kids. They support their kids. They are their for their children. They do it in different ways, and THEY ARE DOING IT.

    LAY THE FUCK OFF BASHING MOTHERS.

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      Hey Rin,

      Thanks for taking the time to respond! As you can tell our podcast is very casual and chatty and Cat was voicing her opinion on motherhood off the top of her head not intending to make anyone feel judged. I think as women it’s interesting to compare experiences and opinions on this stuff, we’re never going to all agree as the tension we discussed on this ep between TradWives and 2nd wave feminists proves!

      My comment about the problems in Friedan’s position (telling women to go and get empowering jobs, but forgetting that not everyone has that luxury and that often working mothers will employ working class women to care for their children) was channelling bell hooks critique in From Margin to Centre. I don’t think she meant to judge or criticise working mothers, but to examine the complications and contradictions in 2nd wave feminism.

      Motherhood is an interesting and emotive subject and I’m glad we can have conversations about it, thanks again for your thoughts.

      Rebecca.

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